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517: Jimmy Rex on Placing a Cease to Intercourse Trafficking & What to Watch For

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Katie: Hiya, and welcome to the “Wellness Mama Podcast.” I’m Katie from and That’s wellness with an E on the top. And this episode tackles a troublesome matter, however I feel a really, essential one in right this moment’s world. And that’s the matter of intercourse trafficking. I’m right here with Jimmy Rex, who’s an unbelievable one that chooses to stay his life in a method the place not one second goes to waste. And for him, this implies actively being on the bottom, serving to rescue folks from intercourse trafficking, amongst many, many, many different issues.


He’s presently, as an example, an energetic actual property agent with one of the sought out teaching packages within the nation about actual property. And he’s additionally a very fashionable speaker. He has his personal podcast known as “The Jimmy Rex Present” that reveals extraordinary folks, dwelling extraordinary lives. And he additionally spends time attempting to make a distinction on the earth, together with as an undercover operative for numerous organizations that rescue folks from intercourse trafficking, together with quite a few very harmful journeys to different nations to avoid wasting younger kids and youngsters.


And we speak about this right this moment, how he’s labored on 12 totally different operations to rescue folks, how it is a widespread drawback in lots of U.S. cities and worldwide, and the way typically, after they land in a brand new place, they can discover folks being trafficked inside simply a few hours. Why intercourse trafficking doesn’t at all times appear to be you suppose it will, and what to look at for. Why these organizations spend six instances as a lot on aftercare than rescues, and the way they help folks after they’re rescued. And issues like tips on how to train your youngsters to concentrate on the chance, what to look out for in your personal youngsters and of their buddies, necessary boundaries to assist your youngsters put in place so they are going to be much less in danger, tech pointers to concentrate on. How, particularly kids, are focused by means of expertise and social media. Some journey suggestions associated to staying protected, particularly in different nations. Essential conversations to have along with your youngsters round this matter, and steps we are able to all take to assist this drawback worldwide, in addition to some actually fascinating aspect tangents about Jimmy and what he does on the earth. So like I stated, powerful matter, however I feel an necessary one. And I feel that you’ll be taught quite a bit. I do know I did and didn’t understand fairly how widespread and horrific this drawback is. So on that notice, let’s be a part of Jimmy.


Katie: Jimmy, welcome. Thanks for being right here.


Jimmy: Hey, I recognize you having me on, thanks.


Katie: Nicely, I’m excited to talk right this moment a few matter that I feel lots of people perhaps want not to consider, however one which I feel is de facto, actually necessary. And that’s the matter of childhood intercourse trafficking. And I do know that’s an intense one. And we’re gonna go numerous totally different instructions with this. However initially, I might love to listen to how you bought into this work within the first place.


Jimmy: Yeah, so our mutual good friend, Paul Hutchinson. I used to be at a networking assembly about six years in the past and I heard him talking. He had simply acquired again from doing his first undercover operation that he had gone on. And as I used to be listening to him inform the story, it simply touched me in a method that I knew I needed to be part of this. I knew this was going to be one thing I used to be gonna be concerned with for the remainder of my life. And so, I simply made it a mission of mine to in some way be capable of create sufficient worth to be part of this group that was going and doing this. And, you realize, six, eight months later, I discovered myself on my first op. And since then, I’ve been capable of be on 12 totally different operations. However I actually simply knew after I heard it, I needed to do one thing about it. And so simply made certain that I might do every part I might to offer worth.


Katie: And I do know it is a factor that folks right here could also be talked about within the media or see occasional mainstream information references to. However I really feel prefer it, hopefully, isn’t near house for lots of people so typically it’s a straightforward factor to form of ignore, however are you able to speak about how large of an issue that is worldwide and why this was so necessary to you?


Jimmy: Yeah, I imply, I don’t know precise numbers or something like that, however I can let you know this, anytime we went to a brand new metropolis, if we went in search of it, more often than not inside 45 minutes to an hour, we might discover folks prepared to promote us youngsters for intercourse after we have been undercover. And in order that tells you, you realize, in lots of of those cities, I’ve been to earlier than on trip and by no means crossed my thoughts, by no means thought twice about it. However the second we went in search of it, it was that simple to seek out. And so, I do know that in most locations across the nation, it’s not out within the open, it’s not one thing you’d ever see or take into consideration, however it’s occurring on a regular basis.


Katie: So really, it is a factor that would very a lot be occurring and sure is in lots of our personal communities?


Jimmy: Yeah. I imply, it was actually, I imply, inside a few hours, for certain, we might discover folks prepared to promote as kids that have been already doing it.


Katie: Wow. And is that…? I do know within the analysis I’ve accomplished, numerous that is occurring technologically now and the elevated entry to expertise is making this occur. And there are methods that that’s occurring form of underground, even on-line, is that what you guys are seeing as nicely?


Jimmy: Yeah. We didn’t actually do a lot with the web stuff, however I imply, when you concentrate on, you realize, with a purpose to, A, visitors a child, or to be the individual on the opposite finish of that, going to search for kids to have intercourse with, you must have entry to kids. And so previously, numerous instances, all that, you realize, you’d hear about was some member of the family or perhaps a instructor or one thing like that, someone that was near these youngsters. Nicely now, due to the web, we all know there’s simply much more accessibility for these folks trying to do these issues. And to allow them to each visitors and discover kids simpler by means of the web. And so, clearly, it’s change into a really prevalent place the place that occurs.


Katie: So whenever you say you’ve gone on 12 totally different operations, what does that appear to be? Are you guys capable of truly rescue among the youngsters from these conditions?


Jimmy: Yeah. So I’ve been on 12 ops that have been concerned with rescuing kids. So we go all the way down to totally different areas the place we all know one thing’s occurring, or we’ve been tipped off that there is likely to be an issue. And we might go down undercover. And our job is to enter the worst locations in these cities and discover the worst folks and attempt to discover these which are trafficking kids. And so we’re utilizing, you realize, all of our talents to principally attempt to discover the youngsters and the folks prepared to promote us the youngsters.


And so forth all 12 of these ops, a couple of of them, you realize, didn’t find yourself getting the youngsters. One thing occurred, someone acquired tipped off, or no matter it may need been, however the majority of them went very profitable. And total, I feel I’ve been capable of be part of now rescuing over 150 kids and having over 45, 50 guys and girls arrested. And so, yeah, we’d actually simply go undercover, we’d go into these cities. We’d fly in and begin doing our factor that we do with a purpose to discover them. And like I stated, typically it will take us a couple of days to form of get all of it arrange, typically it’d be very fast, however that’s form of what it seemed like.


Katie: And I’ll admit, it’s considerably unfathomable to me that that is occurring and particularly on such a big scale. Like, I really can’t even comprehend after I learn these stats. Are these like mother and father and caregivers which are taking part on this, are these kids being kidnapped, or what are you guys often discovering?


Jimmy: Yeah. So we see a bit little bit of every part. So it doesn’t often appear to be you’d suppose. So we’ve seen kids behind cages and bars. That’s, in Haiti, that was, you realize, the truth of the scenario one time. That’s not often what you see although. So usually, what’s occurring is numerous these kids are trafficked both by someone they know, by a member of the family, by a good friend, by a instructor. I’ll offer you one instance. We have been in a metropolis in Latin America, and it was a seventh or eighth-grade faculty instructor.


She used her place to lure these women that she was instructing. For instance, so she would inform them, “Hey, you realize, I’ve acquired an additional $20 in case you’ll go to this social gathering. We’re gonna have a celebration. It ought to be enjoyable.” Lure them into the social gathering. Subsequent factor they know, they’re being raped. And the instructor tells them, “Should you inform anyone, inform your mother and father, then I’m gonna inform them that you just went and had intercourse with these males. After which we’ll inform everyone what you’ve accomplished.” After which principally it’s a disgrace factor.


After which they, you realize… And we all know this as a result of among the instances after we have been capable of finding these traffickers, we’d be capable of faucet their telephones. And the Mexican police or the Latin police, whoever we have been working with, would pay attention to the conversations. And these women could be begging to not must go, however they’d go nonetheless. And so numerous them have been even dwelling at house and being trafficked out of their very own home. Plenty of them, you bought a neighbor or a member of the family or someone like that’s doing it.


Plenty of instances, the ladies or the women, you realize, they weren’t even… typically they didn’t even know the depth of the how unhealthy it was, what was occurring to them. They knew that, you realize, they have been being trafficked out, however they didn’t absolutely perceive. They have been too younger to essentially comprehend what was occurring. So you actually see a bit little bit of every part, however often, it’s someone in these sorts of conditions. Plenty of instances, runaways or women that, you realize, had a bother in the home, they’d go stay with a member of the family or a good friend, and subsequent factor you realize, they’re dwelling with the traffickers or no matter that may appear to be. And so, we noticed all of that.


One of many first issues that we do, anytime we’re gonna go right into a metropolis, a brand new metropolis, and go undercover, we’ve to verify first that they’ve all of the aftercare arrange in order that if we do a rescue and we discover these younger women, that they’ve aftercare set as much as assist them or to care for them. And so we wouldn’t even ever go do an op with out that setup. And a part of the explanation for that’s if we rescue the women and there’s no aftercare, there’s no method to assist them, it’s truly worse for them numerous instances. And so, you realize, we work along with these organizations.


And so, one of many first questions that they at all times determine, or one of many first issues they determine is, “Okay. Was this individual dwelling at house? Had been they lacking? In the event that they have been lacking, have been they reported lacking?” As a result of that’s often an indication whether or not the mother and father have been concerned or not. And so, you realize, we actually did numerous work on the again finish to be sure that was all taken care of. That’s a extremely large a part of it’s simply to be sure that their scenario is protected at house. And if not, they wouldn’t return to that scenario.


Katie: That was gonna be my follow-up query is what does aftercare appear to be? As a result of I can solely think about that there’s in all probability quite a bit that wants to enter this from the psychological well being aspect, from the bodily well being aspect to the logistical aspect of creating certain they’ve a protected place to be after. What all goes into that?


Jimmy: Yeah. Similar to you simply stated, all of that, you realize, numerous therapists, numerous caretakers, lots of people. After which additionally determining what the women wished with their lives. Making an attempt to attach them to the precise folks that would assist them in the event that they wished to go to highschool, in the event that they wished to have a sure profession. Somebody wished to, you realize, bake or get into hair reducing or no matter that is likely to be. Give them one thing the place that they had an opportunity to be taught and develop and never have to return to a nasty scenario.


However that’s… Yeah, aftercare concerned all of the above. And by the point, you realize, I labored quite a bit with a bunch known as… nicely, I labored with numerous totally different teams, however Little one Liberation Basis and Operation Underground Railroad. I do know, you realize, for these organizations, they spend much more cash. I heard as soon as, I can’t confirm this, however I heard one time they spend six instances extra money per baby on aftercare that they do on the precise rescues themselves.


Katie: Wow. Nicely, that appears tremendous, tremendous necessary. What sort of age vary do you usually see when these persons are rescued? I’m a bit scared to ask, however I might assume it’s largely like youngsters and younger adults, or do you see form of throughout the board?


Jimmy: Normally 12 to 14, 15 is form of what most of them are. You already know, I feel the youngest I noticed was 12. I feel the oldest that we… We rescued some that weren’t underage, however you realize, nonetheless being exploited or no matter. However the majority have been that 12 to 17, 12 to 16 vary.


Katie: And is there a course of for coping with the people who find themselves doing the trafficking? Like, are there in these totally different nations and particularly within the U.S., like, is there truly a means of them being delivered to justice or what does that appear to be?


Jimmy: Oh yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And we by no means labored within the U.S. The U.S. has, you realize, numerous enforcement companies. I do know there’s some organizations that work along with these legislation enforcement companies. However you gotta keep in mind, numerous these nations we go to, they don’t have the cash or the means to do it. And they also have reached out to us to assist them. They desperately need our assist. You already know, for instance, after I did a few ops in Mexico, they have been so grateful to us that they ended up awarding me and my group of buddies that have been along with me, you realize, diplomat standing and a few actually cool awards and issues like that as a result of they’re so grateful. As a result of, you realize, one of many unfavourable belongings you hear about that is like, “Oh, the People simply wanna go G.I. Joe or no matter.” And it’s actually not true in any respect. They have been so grateful to have us there to have the ability to work with them.


And what the People are capable of do is a lot simpler as a result of we appear to be the folks which are happening there for the trafficking within the first place. And so we’re capable of simply get much more data. I keep in mind one op we did, you realize, it took us about 24 hours. The pinnacle of the federal police in that nation stated, “You guys have gotten us extra data in 24 hours than we gotten in 14 months.” We had all their names, their social medias, their telephone numbers, you realize, every part we would have liked for these guys. And so for us, the chance to go down there and try this, it’s simply rather more efficient, rather more environment friendly for them. However yeah, it’s a course of of creating certain you’re working along with every authority on each single op. You’re working very intently hand in hand.


Katie: And I really feel like from right here, there’s form of a two-prong method I wanna go into. The primary being, for all of the mother and father listening, most individuals listening are mother and father, what can we pay attention to, indicators to search for, hopefully not in our personal kids for anybody listening, however in perhaps different kids that we’re interacting with, our children’ buddies, simply generally, that may be form of warning indicators for issues like abuse and kidnapping and intercourse trafficking?


Jimmy: Yeah. I feel it’s actually necessary to show your youngsters in the event that they’re uncomfortable with one thing, to let you realize. I do know after I was a child, I had like a bizarre uncle and nothing ever occurred, however I simply felt uncomfortable with him. He at all times wished to kiss me on the lips like when he was saying hello and bye, and I used to be capable of get out of it. However, you realize, I keep in mind my mother and father being like, “Be good or no matter.” And it’s like, no, don’t. Like, in case you really feel uncomfortable with one thing, that’s an indication that perhaps it’s best to steer clear of that individual. Or when you’ve got, like, a neighbor that’s a bit bit creepy, there’s in all probability one thing to that. So don’t…


I keep in mind simply as a child, you realize, mother and father, numerous instances, they don’t need their youngsters to return off impolite, however I feel it’s necessary to let your youngsters know in case you don’t wanna discuss to someone otherwise you don’t wanna be good to someone that’s an grownup, that’s good. Like, let me know and also you don’t must. You don’t must be pleasant to everyone, even when it’s your grandparent or your uncle or whoever it is likely to be. I feel that’s one necessary factor for fogeys. After which simply search for issues. Like, it’s not okay for fogeys to be buddies with youngsters. It’s not okay for fogeys to be overly pleasant with youngsters. Or, sorry, strangers, you realize. To be… So if someone’s attempting to love… Normally, in the event that they’re gonna do one thing, nonetheless to today, I feel more often than not, the traffickers know the youngsters. And so take note of that.


If the instructor is contacting the scholar outdoors of church or faculty, in all probability not okay. If there’s issues that they need them to maintain from you as a dad or mum, not okay. And so I feel it’s necessary to only have open communication along with your youngsters and simply allow them to know, “Hey, I’m by no means gonna get mad at you. But when there’s ever an grownup wanting to fulfill up or discuss or no matter, I simply wanna know what’s occurring and I’ll ensure that, you realize, to be part of it. Simply have a really open dialogue along with your youngsters. As a result of often it seems to be like an grownup that’s simply attempting to be good and so they’ll make you appear to be you’re the loopy one.


However you realize, I feel youngsters, particularly if youngsters are simply uncomfortable round someone, take note of their power. When you’ve got a neighbor that the child’s at all times hiding from or doesn’t wanna discuss to or form of clamps up round, that is likely to be an indication that, you realize, they don’t wanna be round that neighbor or one thing is likely to be occurring there. And so I feel that’s crucial factor so far as with folks you realize. So far as folks you don’t know, I feel, once more, simply instructing your youngsters to have the ability to say, you realize, to have the ability to say no, to yell in the event that they’re in bother, to watch out the place they’re going, to only listen, you realize, all the primary issues that you’d already inform your child as a dad or mum.


Katie: Yeah. And I feel that boundary one, particularly round bodily contact is de facto, actually necessary. To simply echo what you stated of even at a younger age, you realize, not forcing our children to hug a relative in the event that they don’t wish to. And train them from the second that they perceive that your physique is yours to make selections about, interval. And I help your selections about that. Should you don’t wanna…you’ll not be pressured to hug or kiss any relative, together with me. Like, that is your physique, your autonomy, and I’m your greatest supporter in that.


And that’s additionally actually nice recommendation about simply watching grownup relationships and ensuring we’re part of them with different adults outdoors the household. As a result of definitely, like, after all, there will be mentorship conditions or lecturers who’re nice with the youngsters, however there’s no purpose mother and father can’t be concerned in these relationships as nicely.


What in regards to the social media aspect? As a result of that is an space that after I was at these ages, didn’t exist. So this was one thing I didn’t must navigate as a young person. And now, as mother and father, we’re navigating with our children fairly often from a youthful age. And I’ve learn not less than that fairly a little bit of the concentrating on that occurs goes on by means of social media or by means of on-line channels.


Jimmy: Yeah. So, that is a type of issues that folks may not be very conscious of in any respect, however it is vitally simple to contact youngsters or teenage youngsters by means of social media apps for these folks. So I’ll offer you an instance. We have been on trip undercover. Nicely, I ought to say, our group was undercover. There was, with us, one of many guys that got here down undercover, his spouse and cousin got here to be on trip within the metropolis. So earlier than the ops began, they have been hanging out. Nicely, one of many cousin was on her social media on Fb, I consider, or Instagram.


And he or she had simply posted that she was on this specific seashore metropolis hanging out and acquired contacted by this man on there that stated, “Oh. Hey, we’ve this social gathering occurring. It’s on the membership, this, this. You guys ought to come.” Nicely, we noticed it later and it was one of many traffickers that we have been working with undercover in that metropolis had contacted her to return to this social gathering. I imply, she was, I feel 19 or 20, so she wasn’t underage, however nonetheless, he didn’t know that. And who is aware of if that will’ve become a trafficking scenario. So numerous instances, folks will submit their footage and so they’ll put the landmark that they’re by.


Nicely, these traffickers can search by a landmark, they’ll search by metropolis. They’ll see, you realize, the place these persons are after which they contact them in real-time and say, “Oh. Hey, we acquired this social gathering,” or, “Hey, we acquired this occasion occurring.” And so I simply suppose it’s necessary that they change into conscious. As a result of numerous instances, particularly teenage youngsters and teenage women, they is likely to be occurring a trip and so they harmlessly are posting about the place they’re at in real-time and exhibiting that and it simply form of opens that door. Particularly in case you’re overseas, what I like to recommend to folks to do is submit every part three or 4 days later. So wait until you permit the place you’re at.


Should you wanna do a video in your Instagram story, as an alternative of posting that story in real-time, you realize, wait three days, make the video, after which submit every part a couple of days later. I do know that’s not as enjoyable as doing it in real-time, however particularly in a foreign country, I simply suppose that’s actually necessary to not let folks know the place you’re at. Plenty of instances, these are small cities, they’re seashore cities, you realize, you’re in some Southeast Asia place or one thing or, you realize, Latin nation, or South America, or wherever it is likely to be. As a result of it’s a very actual factor. And in addition, it simply opens the door even for folks…


You already know, and fogeys as nicely, by the way in which. Should you’re posting and also you’re method overseas otherwise you’re very far-off from house and you’ve got teenage youngsters at house, nicely, in all probability not a good suggestion to submit in real-time both as a result of now if anyone’s been watching you and your youngsters, they know you guys are away, they may perhaps attempt to make their transfer in your child at the moment when you’re out. And so I feel it’s actually necessary to only pay attention to that. I do know we wanna present the world every part we’re doing, however when you’ve got, you realize, teenage youngsters, particularly your youthful youngsters, I simply suppose it’s good time to place, you realize, put some house in between the place you might be in order that no person can…


I’ve a detailed household that I’m superb buddies with known as the Bucket Record Household. And also you may need heard of them earlier than. I’ve gone on a number of journeys with them, with Garrett and Jess and their household. They usually at all times wait three or 4 or 5 days to submit from the place they really are so folks don’t know the place they’re at. They’ll’t come and, you realize, who is aware of what they may attempt to do or no matter. And so, I realized that from Garrett firsthand. However you realize, it’s a fairly good concept to only submit a couple of days later.


Katie: Yeah. That’s such a easy tip, however such an necessary one. And it’s one I’ve inadvertently accomplished simply due to having form of a web based platform. I might find yourself assembly up with folks if I posted the place I truly was, which was truly nice, as a result of I really like assembly up with my readers, however it made me understand like, wow, it’s really easy for folks to determine and put the items collectively and there’s this probability of individuals being in the identical place. However after we consider it by means of this lens, particularly for youths, that may be a easy tip. It makes a complete lot of sense. I do know youngsters are so used to posting every part and sharing their entire life on social media, however that’s such an necessary tip.


Jimmy: Yeah. I imply, I do the identical factor. After I go, you realize, I am going to numerous sporting occasions, and I submit that in real-time. I don’t have little youngsters at house both and stuff like that so it’s not as large of a deal. However yeah, it’s simply a type of little issues. Additionally, simply generally, in social media, take note of who your youngsters are speaking with. In the event that they’re youngsters, in the event that they’re on the apps, I feel it’s simply necessary to have an excellent relationship with them and never get mad at them in case you ever see them speaking to adults as a result of they’re gonna conceal it from you in that case. And so I feel in case you can actually come from a spot of understanding and curiosity and love with them, and simply allow them to know like, “Hey, I simply wanna just be sure you are protected.”


I simply inform them, “I simply wanna be sure to’re protected. You by no means know. I’ll by no means get mad at you, but when you realize adults ever attain out to you, I’d like to know.” I used to be, you realize, speaking to someone fairly lately and she or he had talked about, she’s older now, however she had talked about when she was 16 and 17, she had 37 to 39-year-old guys, you realize, that she was occurring dates with as a 16-year-old, 15-year-old. And also you’re like, “Geez, the place have been the mother and father on this?” You already know? But it surely’s actually necessary to know who your youngsters are speaking to. And so I simply suppose the extra you possibly can create that comfortability with them the place they’re gonna be trustworthy and open with you and also you don’t get mad at them for it, I feel you’re gonna be capable of present an area the place they’ll truly share it with you.


Katie: Yeah. And the significance of simply having these open conversations. And like I stated, social media didn’t exist after I was a young person, however I had guys in individual who’re a lot, a lot, a lot older attempt to make contact and discuss to me. And like that felt bizarre on the time. And, like, I didn’t have an excellent context essentially for, like, what do I do about this? And so I feel having these conversations along with your youngsters actually early and ensuring, such as you stated, that they hear again and again, like, “I’ll by no means be mad at you. I’ll at all times be your advocate. And these are necessary. Even in case you simply have a suspicion or an inkling or one thing simply feels bizarre, we are able to speak about it, something, and you’ll not ever get in bother for that.” Simply to create kinda that security internet.


And I feel the opposite a part of this, so like I feel the mother and father being conscious with our personal youngsters is tremendous, tremendous necessary. However such as you’ve defined, it is a worldwide drawback, sadly. It appears to be an growing drawback nonetheless in right this moment’s society. And I do know, like, as an example, me as a mother of six youngsters, I can’t go do sting operations very simply in different nations, however what are some ways in which we are able to get entangled and assist help the training, help the struggle in opposition to this for different folks’s youngsters and in different places?


Jimmy: Yeah. You already know, I feel one of the necessary issues you are able to do is to start out with your personal self, your loved ones, the folks that you just affect. Paul at all times has this saying. He says, “Jimmy, I’m gonna train you a lesson in regards to the circle of affect.” He says, “If it’s throughout the circle which you could affect it, then you could have the precise to fret about it. If it’s not inside that circle, you could have two selections. You both don’t fear about it otherwise you make a much bigger circle so to affect extra and you’ll ultimately do one thing about it.”


So so far as, like, yeah, you’re not gonna be capable of go undercover and do these form of issues. What you are able to do is to assist help the organizations like Little one Liberation Basis that, you realize, goes and does this sort of stuff. You’ll be able to help them by sharing their tales, by sharing their social medias, by sharing their posts, liking it, commenting it, simply letting the phrase get on the market. Additionally what you’re doing proper now, proper? Doing this podcast. And one of many issues that, you realize, I’m cautious to share after I inform folks tips on how to share that is you don’t wanna share it in a method that’s unfaithful or loopy.


You’ll discover I by no means give stats or numbers I don’t know. I don’t wanna throw issues on the market. As a result of what I feel what occurred with this motion a bit bit over the past yr or two is the folks which are actually evil, I feel that they tried to lump on this problem with QAnon and a few of these different loopy theories which are on the market. And so what it did is it form of minimized all of it, proper? It was like, “Oh, it’s only a bunch of loopy folks.” But it surely’s like, “No. I’ve seen firsthand. I do know the issue that’s on the market. I don’t know the extent to precisely how enormous it’s, however it’s large and it’s an issue.”


However as a result of so many individuals began sounding loopy with the way in which they shared it and sharing numbers and stats that perhaps weren’t true, they have been capable of lump it in and simply be like, “Yeah, that’s all simply a part of the loopy proper wing conspiracy.” And so I’m very cautious to not share issues that aren’t true. I wanna be sure that folks know it is a actual factor. That is occurring. It doesn’t imply that Tom Hanks is consuming kids. It implies that, you realize, that there’s a pedophile. And we all know Ghislaine Maxwell trial occurring proper now. This can be a actual factor. It’s been occurring.


However cautious the way you share it. I share it in a method the place it’s like, “Look, that is in all probability occurring proper in your yard.” It doesn’t matter if the elites of the world are doing it within the sense that that’s not essentially what it is advisable to be sharing. What it is advisable to be sharing is, like, look, straight up on the bottom, how can I be affecting my neighborhood, my metropolis, and form of fear in regards to the issues you possibly can truly affect? That’s the most effective factor I’m attempting to get out of that is you’re not gonna be capable of do something if the world leaders are all doing this.


Like, there’s not a lot you are able to do or say about that. What you may do is, in your group, assist educate folks, assist folks see the issue that’s on the market. After which simply assist them be, you realize, once more, be good neighbors. The strongest neighborhoods the place this isn’t occurring is the place there’s robust neighborhoods, they’re serving to one another, they care about one another. They’re prepared to speak to one another. And so, I feel that to me is one of the simplest ways to do it. After which, clearly, once more, simply spreading the attention and issues like that.


Katie: And I’ll ensure that, I do know that there are additionally many on-line assets, together with the organizations you talked about. I’ll ensure that these are linked to the present notes at so that you guys can learn and discover a few of these precise info to share and know what to look at for and in your personal group. I additionally absolutely agree with you that having robust communities in our native space is part of the answer. And in addition, I’ve talked about it in so many podcast episodes, it’s necessary for well being, it’s necessary for psychological well being, it’s necessary for longevity.


Like, there’s a purpose blue zones have robust communities and that’s as a result of they’re important to us as human animals. However that is additionally simply one other instance of why that’s so necessary. And particularly for our children. I do know that is an space that’s been powerful for lots of people the final couple of years because the group’s been tougher with numerous the restrictions which have gone on, however one which’s very, essential to nurture.


And so I’ll ensure that all these hyperlinks are included within the present notes. I’d like to additionally discuss a bit bit extra about you personally so folks can perceive the work that you just’re doing and in addition why that is, you realize, so necessary to you and the way you’re employed to enhance the world in a complete lot of various areas. And I’ve some notes in my present notes, one being, in case you have been gonna give a TED Speak, it will be about form of the concept of your guide, which is “You Finish Up The place You’re Heading.” So I might love to listen to you speak about that a bit bit as a result of I feel that is additionally actually related to folks.


Jimmy: Yeah, yeah. So a number of years in the past, once more, I form of had this second the place I used to be attempting to determine what my life was gonna be about, what the aim of my life was going to be. And I felt very strongly in the end about my function, and it’s to assist folks stay a rare life, to unfold love and goodness by means of having a playful spirit, and exhibiting how to do this. And so one of many issues that… I’ll let you know a fast story too. The hat that I’m sporting, it’s a brand for my firm. It’s known as “We Are The They.”


And the way that happened is I got here again from one among these ops. It was truly one of the harmful ones we’d ever been on. And, you realize, I used to be telling my girlfriend on the time, she picked me up on the airport, and we have been speaking all in regards to the op and the way scary it was and the way cool it was as a result of we acquired the rescue and we took these horrible guys down. And I’m telling her all about it and she or he pulls over and she or he goes, “Hey, I gotta be trustworthy. I don’t need you to go do that anymore.” And I used to be like, “What do you imply? I simply rescued these youngsters. Like, that is my life’s function right here. You already know, it’s gonna be a giant a part of it.”


And he or she says, “Nicely, I do know, however it’s simply such a nasty setting.”It’s simply actually scary. It’s harmful.” And he or she stated, “Why can’t they simply go do it?” And with out considering, I stated, “Nicely, there isn’t a they, we’re the they.” And as quickly as I stated it, I used to be like ‘Oh, shit, that’s…” And, you realize, and I knew… And in order that turned the mannequin for my life is “We’re the they.” And in order that, you realize, once more, along with the guide, I simply attempt to assist folks. I coach males tips on how to change into the most effective model of themselves. It’s a bunch known as “We Are The They.”


And principally, we simply, by means of being males of integrity, by means of being trustworthy about what, you realize, I observed through the years, the folks that will attain out to me probably the most, they wished group and so they wished a protected place the place they may open up and have folks love them by means of progress and attempting to change into the most effective model of themselves. And in order that’s the place I began that. The guide basically follows what is known as the hero’s journey, which is the trail that all of us go on.


And I feel it’s necessary in life to do not forget that attending to the place we’re attempting to get, it’s not a easy path. It’s not a straightforward path. However that journey, that hero’s journey that we go on. And principally, in case you’ve by no means thought of what you need your life to appear to be, you’re simply gonna find yourself the place you’re heading. You’re simply gonna go wherever the wind form of takes you. No matter individual needs you to be part of their story, they’ll add you in as a chunk. And often, you’ll spend your life constructing their dream or their factor.


And so if you realize what you need, in case you get crystal clear on the place you’re attempting to go and what you’re attempting to do… You already know, you requested me on the very starting of this, how did you get into this? And in the end, it’s as simple as I simply determined I used to be going to do that. I made that call. I had a why enormous after which I found out tips on how to make that occur. And in order that’s that method with every part in life. I simply form of, you realize, by means of the guide and thru my teaching program, encourage folks to determine precisely what they need in life after which go about determining why that’s what they need after which determining tips on how to go about doing it.


Katie: Yeah. I feel that’s so necessary. I haven’t had an opportunity to learn it but, however I’m positively going to take a look at your guide. I even have a notice in my present notes that you’ve got an honorary doctorate diploma from 13 universities in Mexico. And I really feel like I would like to listen to extra about this.


Jimmy: Yeah, that was a part of… So we did numerous these ops early on. We have been in Mexico. We have been capable of rescue numerous youngsters down there and so they have been so grateful to us for doing this. Like I stated, they didn’t have the power, the means to do it. And so, a number of years in the past, they flew up, in all probability 30, 35 officers from Mexico flew up, and we did a particular ceremony on the Capitol constructing right here in Utah with the Legal professional Normal of Utah. They gave us honorary doctorate levels.


So I’ve this group of buddies from highschool. There’s eight of us which are all finest buddies. And two of them turned docs. One’s an orthopedist surgeon and one’s a plastic surgeon. And I made the joke to them. I stated, “Gosh, guys, who would’ve ever thought that three of us would change into docs, you realize?” They usually didn’t suppose that was very humorous since they put 15 years of college into it. But it surely was simply form of an honor that we acquired to have, simply one thing form of cool and one thing form of fascinating I put in my bio.


Katie: I even have a notice that you just’ve been to 84 nations. And I might love to listen to just some of the highest ones that you’d suggest probably the most.


Jimmy: Yeah. Yeah, yeah. So the truth is, what occurred, I’ll inform the story of why I began doing that. So in 2014, I had a buddy, his identify was Eric Hill. And he had a purpose, he was gonna go to each single nation within the shortest period of time ever. And he’d gotten to I feel over 50 of them in lower than 6 or 7 months. And he was doing this international odyssey. And he ended up passing away. He was paragliding and had an accident and died. And I keep in mind there was this, form of, this hashtag that went round, #livelikeEric.


And what that meant to me was this man was really dwelling his life. He was doing all these superb issues and going and simply dwelling his life. And I remembered I hadn’t been overseas in years. I’d been simply working my butt off on a regular basis. And I stated to myself, I stated, you realize, “If I died tomorrow, like, the tragedy that that will be.” And so I simply made it a purpose. I simply stated, “I’m simply gonna go see the world.” And so I began touring, went on a number of journeys with buddies, with teams of buddies, with, you realize, someone I used to be courting, after which went on a number of on my own too.


And what I found is simply this world, when you determine, like, how lovely the world is, whenever you really can recognize the world for every part it’s, you could have a a lot stronger need to put it aside, a a lot stronger need to do good on the earth, I feel. And so for me, I actually encourage everyone, drop numerous prejudices and also you’re capable of actually see folks and perceive that we’re all a part of the identical human household. However to choose a couple of, I might say, you realize, Eire and Scotland and Iceland are superb. Everybody of their lives ought to do an African safari.


You already know, I keep in mind sleeping out in the course of the bush in Zimbabwe and waking up there’s lions 200-feet away and there’s monkeys swinging within the bushes above us. And a honey badger actually crawled proper as much as my leg. And I keep in mind sitting on this berm overlooking this sort of this hill and into form of like a marsh and there was hippos and within the distance, there’s giraffes and rhinos. And it’s simply probably the most surreal factor that… You begin to go go to all these folks. What actually is cool goes and visiting the native folks in all these locations, you realize? And also you begin to simply actually have a love for humanity. It actually drops any prejudices you could have.


I do know I went a few years in the past to Egypt with a good friend of mine. And he grew up there and his household nonetheless lives there. And we spent a couple of days with them after we went and noticed the pyramids and all that. And this household was, you realize, a Muslim household. And I’m in Utah. We don’t have very many minorities, simply being trustworthy with you. You form of worry what you don’t know and so that you’re at all times just a bit bit afraid of these folks. And so going over there although and feeling their like to me. They usually introduced me into their properties and fed us and probably the most superb meals and simply the way in which they handled us and honored us was actually particular.


And I spotted, you realize, all these belongings you’re afraid of in life, when you get close to them, you now not are. And, you realize, Brené Brown talks about this on a regular basis, leaning into folks. Similar factor with animals. In reality, I’m an enormous shark man. I really like sharks. I like to swim with sharks. I’ve swum with 15 totally different species of sharks, together with bull sharks, tiger sharks, all this and not using a cage. And when you could have a tiger shark coming at you, proper? I used to be in the course of the Atlantic Ocean. It’s 15-feet lengthy. It’s this large… It seems to be like a miniature bus coming at you, however you are feeling its power towards you. And as an alternative of being afraid, you’re simply in amazement and marvel.


This factor lives right here on this physique of water and it’s arising and it’s simply curious, and it’s taking a look at you and also you’re taking a look at it. There’s no cage. It’s simply this trade of power and love and it actually adjustments your view in the direction of most issues. And so, a part of what I train, you realize, the boys in my teaching program is we go do scary issues as a result of we’ve these irrational fears from what we’re informed to consider from society. You already know, the information media wants you to be in worry in order that they’ll, you realize, promote. I imply, you realize, worry sells and all these various things. And so what we attempt to do is by touring and by going and experiencing all this, it’s such a good looking world on the market. And I feel that’s the fantastic thing about touring.


Katie: I agree with you. I’ve thought with my very own youngsters is, like, I do know I can look again and understand among the more durable instances of my life helped me change into the individual I’m right this moment. And but I don’t wanna deliberately create a tough life for my youngsters. And journey’s form of the proper answer as a result of there’s numerous inherent problem that comes together with journey. And such as you stated, you achieve a complete new perspective on humanity and on the world and the way we’re all a lot extra linked and comparable than we frequently develop up after we develop up in a homogenous space. And so journey’s positively a core worth for us as nicely. Though you could have traveled to many, many extra locations, which is superior and provoking.


Jimmy: Yeah. You do numerous problem-solving whenever you journey, to your level, you realize, is attempting to determine issues out on the go and you’ll’t converse the language and also you gotta determine stuff and also you simply do. You simply find yourself figuring it out. However I really like that concept as a dad or mum to, you realize, assist your youngsters develop.


Katie: After which lastly, on my notes, I’ve a notice that you just’re the President of the Chris Farley Fan Membership. And I really feel like that wants some clarification as nicely.


Jimmy: Yeah. So me and my buddies, after we have been in highschool, I used to be a Sophomore in highschool when Chris Farley handed away, and we have been simply such large followers. I imply, I wished to be Chris Farley. Most guys, you realize, most children in all probability wished to be an athlete or wished to be one of many film stars that was getting all the women. I wished to be Chris Farley. I simply thought he was the most effective ever. And so me and my buddies, the day he handed away, which is December 18th, truly it was simply yesterday, was two days in the past, sorry, it was Chris Farley Day. December 18th was the day he handed away. So we’d get collectively yearly and watch all his motion pictures.


After which one yr… You already know, I used to be at all times simply Googling Chris Farley wanting into issues. And I keep in mind one yr, again in perhaps 2002 or 2003, I Googled Chris Farley and there was a basis arrange by his brother, Tom, the place they have been elevating cash to assist, you realize, hold youngsters off medication. So I reached out to him and we began a relationship. After which a few yr later, two years later, Chris Farley acquired a star on Hollywood and we acquired invited out to return to it. And Tom stated, “Hey, I imply, you guys are principally the fan membership. Why don’t you come on out and are available to the star ceremony?”


And so we got here out, went to the occasion. It was very personal. I feel there was perhaps 70 folks. I imply, we’re speaking it’s Adam Sandler, Chris Rock, David Spade, Tom Arnold, Gary Busey, the fellows from Paramount, his household, and us. And it was very intimate. And acquired to the star ceremony, went to the after-party, and frolicked with everyone. It was form of a celebration, but in addition form of somber. You already know, I keep in mind Adam Sandler simply being tremendous unhappy and… However then and we, yeah, turned the unofficial official Chris Farley Fan Membership that day. And so I turned the president of that.


We did an occasion a few years later right here in Utah the place, you realize, his brothers got here in and we did this big social gathering to boost cash for the inspiration. And we had, like, pizza and it was the meat lovers pizza within the trunk pizza part. We had the hen wings. There was the Tommy likey, Tommy Need Wingy hen wings. And had standup comedians come and performed all his motion pictures. And so I keep in contact fairly frequently along with his brothers to today, had them on my podcast final yr. We speak about it on a regular basis. And only a particular little connection I feel to this man that I by no means met however have been capable of create numerous, you realize, the enjoyment that I had as a child by means of life was by means of him. So I’ve form of honored him that method.


Katie: What a cool story.


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And as we get towards the top of time, one other query I like to ask is that if there’s a guide or a lot of books which have had a profound influence in your life, and if that’s the case, what they’re and why?


Jimmy: Yeah. I imply, I’m an enormous reader. And so I used to learn 50 to 100 books a yr for a very long time. That was in all probability earlier than I began my podcast. That’s what I might do. Now I, you realize, research numerous podcasts and podcast visitors so I can get folks on my podcast. However I nonetheless learn fairly a bit. And I might say, if I might decide one guide that each man ought to learn is known as “The Approach of the Superior Man” by David Deida. David has personally been a coach of mine as nicely, however he’s, I imply, that guide, simply nails, tips on how to present up as a person.


However that’s one guide that had an enormous profound change on my life. So many, however “Assume and Develop Wealthy,” you realize, “The 4 Agreements,” these are all books that I attempt to learn not less than as soon as yearly or two. After which something by Brene Brown is particular and teaches you tips on how to love humanity a bit bit higher. And so, yeah, these are a few of my favorites.


Katie: And I do know that past a guide, you’ve accomplished a lot on the earth we didn’t even get to speak about right this moment, together with numerous work in actual property and a lot extra. So the place can folks discover you on-line and continue learning about all of the belongings you’re doing?


Jimmy: Yeah. The perfect place to seek out me, my Instagram is @mrjimmyrex, and I submit every part that I’m doing on there. Anytime I’m talking, anytime I’ve occasions, my new podcasts that come out, any, you realize, events that I’m internet hosting or throwing any charity occasions for this charity or others that I’m doing, I share on there. And so simply comply with me on @mrjimmyrex. That’s in all probability one of the simplest ways. And be at liberty to succeed in out anytime if I can assist in any method. I’m superb at getting again to folks in my DMs. I do all that myself and so completely happy to assist anyone if, you realize, if there’s a necessity that I can help you.


Katie: Thanks a lot. And like I stated, I’ll ensure that we hyperlink to all the various things we’ve talked about, particularly the organizations that folks can help if they’ll’t actively go do work on this space, in addition to to your entire locations that you just stay on-line. However Jimmy, thanks a lot for taking the time to be right here right this moment. You will have such a captivating story and all the adventures of your life. And I’m so grateful for you educating about this and for the work that you just’ve accomplished immediately to assist with this drawback worldwide.


Jimmy: Nicely, thanks. It’s one thing that, you realize, when you get into it and also you begin doing it, you understand how particular it’s, how particular to have the ability to assist these folks which are on this scenario. I imply, we even have gone in and seen the women being, you realize, in these positions and we’ve been capable of have the rescues. And it’ll change you and it adjustments you without end. And so it’s particular to me. It’s particular to have the ability to share about it and assist different folks change into conscious. And so if I can ever do the rest to assist unfold consciousness, I’m at all times accessible. And thanks once more for having me on.


Katie: Thanks a lot for being right here. And thanks as at all times to all of you who’re listening for sharing your time, your power, and your consideration with us right this moment. We’re each so grateful that you just did. And I hope that you’ll be a part of me once more on the following episode of the “Wellness Mama” podcast.


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