Dr. Roseann Capanna-Hodge on Easy methods to Develop Resilience in Children




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Katie: Hey, and welcome to the “Wellness Mama” podcast. I’m Katie from wellnessmama.com and wellnesse.com. That’s Wellnesse with an E on the top. And this episode goes deep on issues like PANS and PANDAS, which I’ve gotten quite a lot of questions on and don’t have any first-hand expertise with however needed to offer a superb useful resource for anybody who’s within the means of coping with these particular circumstances. And I’m right here with Dr. Roseann Capanna-Hodge, who’s the founding father of the International Institute of Youngsters’s Psychological Well being. And Forbes has known as her a thought chief in kids’s psychological well being. She’s labored with 1000’s of households, particularly these with Lyme illness, PANS/PANDAS, and every other sort of situation. And she or he’s the writer of the e book, “It’s Gonna Be Okay!” and the Get Unstuck Program.

And I assumed she was an incredible knowledgeable to have on. We actually go deep on these circumstances, why we’re seeing an increase in psychological well being points in children, the components which have modified a lot within the final couple of many years which can be affecting our children. We go deep on each the physiological and the psychological well being components which can be concerned, and why we’re seeing an increase in quite a lot of these circumstances, why so many children are getting misdiagnosed, and what you are able to do as a mum or dad to each assist your little one keep away from these circumstances and in addition what to do in the event that they have already got them. It’s a very fascinating episode. She’s a lot enjoyable, so well-spoken. And with out additional ado, let’s be a part of her. Dr. Roseann, welcome. Thanks for being right here.

Dr. Roseann: Properly, I’m so excited to succeed in all these mamas on the market and supporting not simply children’ psychological well being however household psychological well being in a time the place we want it greater than ever.

Katie: Properly, and definitely, any mother is aware of children’ psychological well being instantly impacts the entire household’s psychological well being very drastically. And I’d say it’s in all probability no secret that we’re seeing an increase in psychological well being points in all demographics however together with kids, which is the place I feel I get essentially the most unhappy once I see little ones struggling by way of a few of these issues. And I do know I’ve seen quite a lot of articles that over the previous yr this has actually intensified. I do know there’s quite a lot of components, a part of it in all probability children being separated from college environments, and from their regular social interactions, and from actions and from time outdoors in some instances, however I do know it’s can also go deeper than that as nicely. So, are you able to stroll us by way of why we’re seeing such an increase in kids’s psychological well being points, particularly up to now yr or so?

Dr. Roseann: Yeah, it’s such an incredible query as a result of we’re seeing an increase in children’ psychological well being lengthy earlier than the pandemic occurred, which is why in January of 2020, I began the International Institute of Youngsters’s Psychological Well being as a result of in these 30 years, Katie, I’ve simply seen such a rise in issues like nervousness, melancholy, autism has simply gone by way of the roof, and issues like PANS and PANDAS, which had been nearly non-existent once I began 30 years in the past. And so, , why is that this occurring? It’s positively a multifaceted challenge. We all know what’s occurring proper now. We will dive into that. However let’s dial it again. Let’s discuss all these components which have made it the place some children are actually struggling through the pandemic regardless of having nice properties or none of these threat components, like, , points with their dad and mom being extremely harassed or financial points which have affected them through the pandemic.

You recognize, children are struggling extra as we speak. And a few of that’s as a result of environmental modifications, like lecturers, being far more intense, faculties being generally developmentally inappropriate for youths, for instance, writing, the calls for on children writing once they’re bodily not as succesful have dramatically elevated within the final 15 years. And that’s actually hectic on children. However we even have poor meals high quality. We have now a rise in genetic mutations. We have now a lower in bodily train. And the way about downtime? Children don’t actually have downtime in the identical method. So this has all, type of, led to this rise. And on high of it, our parenting types have modified. We aren’t parenting our children in a really autonomous method, so children can actually develop this resilience and grit, and be taught coping expertise, which solely come from these little moments of failure, that train children how one can tolerate disappointment, uncomfortableness, all these feelings. And children must be taught these expertise independently as a result of when large stuff occurs, such as you get into an enormous combat along with your greatest buddy or your boyfriend, or you’re failing a category in faculty, that you’ve an inside resilience to deal with these conditions with stride as a result of stress occurs.

After which proper now, why are children having such a hectic expertise? You recognize, in the event that they walked in, Katie, to the pandemic, with a pre-existing psychological well being challenge or a household historical past of hectic experiences, they’re gonna be extra prone to expertise stress. However what we all know by way of analysis, survey analysis in the US, Asia, and in addition to Europe is that there’s a actual enhance in nervousness and melancholy for youths. And one startling statistic is that fifty% of youngsters and younger adults who’ve an instantaneous member of the family with COVID have a threat of reasonable to extreme melancholy, which is stunning. So children have a lack of connection. There’s concern across the virus. There’s the virus itself, and simply the Wild West educationally, the disruption in schooling and oldsters being actually harassed and overwhelmed has all contributed to what’s going on with children, this uptick in psychological well being points.

Katie: That is smart and it looks as if quite a lot of components to deal with. I’m proper there with you on, type of, the modifications in parenting types. I received some good classes from my grandma earlier than she handed away about how a lot completely different that’s now. And that’s at all times been my focus with mine is to attempt to elevate them to be as autonomous and self-sufficient as doable as early as doable whereas, after all, giving them the instruments to try this in a mature and useful method. I’ve a motto with them that I gained’t do something for them that they’re able to doing themselves. So even the little ones begin their very own laundry fairly early and are very concerned round the home.

And in addition, we actually attempt to curate time for them to be bored and to play outdoors, and to not simply have fixed construction to allow them to be taught a few of these expertise. I do know I’m an enormous fan of anytime children are taking part in, there’ll at all times be the inevitable little spats or disputes or determining the foundations of the sport. And I’m such a fan of letting them work by way of that at any time when doable as a result of such as you mentioned, they be taught from these interactions and from these little failures, and that interprets to later in life. And there’s quite a lot of instructions to go from right here. However earlier than we transfer on, why do you assume we’re seeing such a change in that parenting model that appears to have occurred throughout the span of 1 era?

Dr. Roseann: Yeah, nicely, we’ve shifted our focus to lecturers. And we’re utilizing lecturers as a benchmark for psychological well being. And quite a lot of dad and mom imagine that, “Wow, if we get our children to deal with getting these straight As that life’s gonna be higher for them. Life’s gonna be simpler for them.” And it’s not the case as a result of individuals with psychological well being points, children and adults, are useful. They stroll round. They’re interacting. Some areas are going nice of their life, possibly it’s in lecturers, and different areas aren’t. And so, we’re not…Now I feel what is going on, Katie, on this pandemic, is we’re altering. We’re realizing, “Wait a second, my children didn’t have a capability to handle stress or they don’t know how one can do their laundry.” I imply, what sage recommendation your grandma gave you, proper? Do issues by yourself and make errors since you’re 100% proper, it’s these little moments that turn into the educational lesson.

And so, we’ve shifted away from social-emotional improvement. We discuss quite a bit about it. However I don’t assume dad and mom actually perceive that it comes from being autonomous. And we now have this fear-driven society that if our children don’t have straight As, they may quantity to nothing. And this comes out of the mouths of youngsters, and faculty children, and center college children. They are saying the identical factor that their dad and mom are. And so we’ve shifted our focus to one thing that’s actually not gonna construct lifelong happiness. And the core to that’s this resilience and it comes from stress tolerance.

Katie: Yeah, that is smart. And that’s in all probability its personal subject for a distinct day. However that’s a world I need to tackle, in addition to the a minimum of, like, post-secondary schooling world and the ways in which it’s not serving children for the longer term that they’re arrange for. And an enormous motive why I homeschool is to have the ability to give my children a greater basis in that sense. However I feel it’s additionally necessary to spotlight you talked about there are some particular physiological parts of what’s happening as nicely. I’ve talked about on this podcast earlier than that we’re seeing an enormous enhance in environmental toxins, like, greater than every other era. Such as you mentioned, we’re seeing a rise in genetic mutations, which is an fascinating, actually necessary subject to delve into itself. We all know that our meals provide isn’t as nutrient-dense because it as soon as was. As mothers, we’re type of preventing a battle generally on many fronts, however let’s discuss a few of these physiological components that come into play as nicely and what we will do about them.

Dr. Roseann: Yeah. So, , I discuss quite a bit about this in my e book, “It’s Gonna Be Okay!” I delve into quite a lot of these root causes about what’s occurring. And so, genetic mutation is one thing that folks, , could have heard about, however don’t have any understanding of its connection to a toddler’s bodily and psychological well being. And what has been occurring on this time that we’ve modified in a era is we’ve simply had a dramatic enhance in these mutations, and one specifically known as MTHFR. There are others. And I am going actually deeply into them in my e book, “It’s Gonna Be Okay!,” is altering how our children are using important nutritional vitamins, notably the B nutritional vitamins, and our nervous system can’t regulate correctly, nor can it detoxify correctly. And each of these components are going to affect our mind well being and nervous system. And so it’s positively a root trigger as to why we’re seeing a lot enhance in issues prefer it’s correlated with ADHD, and nervousness, and melancholy. It’s additionally correlated right into a specialty that I’ve individuals with persistent bodily illnesses that result in psychological well being points. So issues like PANS and PANDAS, Lyme illness, and various kinds of an infection and poisonous triggers that may result in PANS/PANDAS or autoimmune encephalopathy.

And so, these are some sources that children are actually struggling each within the bodily and the psychological well being facet. And we will’t escape the connection between the mind and physique. We discuss quite a bit about it in psychological well being, proper? We should always at all times be speaking about thoughts, physique, and spirit however we’re not instructing households about what they’ll do to vary issues on that mobile stage with weight-reduction plan, train, hacks in vitamins, proper? So taking particular dietary supplements and past. There’s quite a lot of issues dad and mom can do to instantly affect their little one’s psychological well being proper now, but in addition for future generations, which is stunning to folks once they hear about that, , very clever individuals know meals is necessary however they don’t know why. They don’t know the way it reduces irritation. Oh, it addresses, , taking a look at at a deeper stage, what are allergy responses and the way do these vitamins really energy up very particular varieties of areas within the mind?

Katie: And I’m glad you introduced up PANS and PANDAS as a result of I get an growing variety of questions on these, which tells me that they’re in all probability on the rise. And it’s an space I don’t have quite a lot of firsthand expertise. However I’m listening to from quite a lot of mothers who both have children who they know have a analysis or fear that their children might need this and are having hassle getting a analysis. And it looks as if there’s quite a lot of complexity to this. And there could be quite a lot of components that come into play and quite a lot of signs. So, to begin broad after which we’ll dial in, give us an outline of what PANS and PANDAS are. What does that stand for and what’s happening within the physique?

Dr. Roseann: Yeah. So thanks for bringing this up as a result of PANS, PANDAS and autoimmune encephalopathy are three separate problems which have the identical supply. And the signs largely are the identical. They usually’re all dramatically on the rise. The analysis says that about 150 out of 200 children have one among these problems, and it could possibly have fairly a dramatic affect on our psychological well being. So let’s discuss what they’re, let’s discuss in regards to the signs, after which let’s discuss what individuals can do about it. So, initially, I’m a pacesetter on this space. I’ve a e book that I co-wrote known as “Mind Underneath Assault.” I discuss quite a bit about PANS and PANDAS in all of my work and in my e book, “It’s Gonna Be Okay!” And, , it’s very onerous to search out individuals who may help you anyplace on the earth.

So, PANS and PANDAS and autoimmune encephalopathy, what occurs is there’s an infectious or poisonous set off that causes a misdirected immune response, the physique begins attacking itself. There’s an inflammatory response. After all, it impacts, on this case, the mind. There could be different bodily parts of it, like joint ache, and it could possibly affect anyplace within the physique. However with PANS and PANDAS, it’s a sudden onset or a deep acceleration of a pre-existing challenge. And I actually like to spotlight that as a result of my individuals, all my beautiful mamas on the market who’re listening, a lot of my children have pre-existing circumstances. They usually even have a procuring cart filled with diagnoses, like ODD, ADD, OCD, melancholy, nervousness, you identify it, studying disabilities. And there could be a actual worsening, proper? So PANDAS is from strep. PANS could be any an infection and poisonous. After which autoimmune encephalopathy, which, , takes a very long time to have the ability to pronounce that, we’re gonna name it AE. AE is a slower waxing and waning onset. It doesn’t must be dramatic in a single day. And I wish to additionally spotlight that as a result of these children get missed.

A lot of the children that I work with, they’re PANS children. There’s, , one poisonous set off or one an infection, as soon as it begins, different issues like to return to the celebration. And so this immune system breaks down. And also you might need moles in there. You recognize, you might need, , scarlet fever, a historical past of scarlet fever, mycoplasma pneumonia, tick-borne illness. Tick-borne illness is without doubt one of the greatest triggers. It’s not the one set off however it’s that and strep and mycoplasma pneumonia and mono, Epstein-Barr. I’d say these are the 4 greatest triggers. After which there’s an enormous checklist of various issues. So what’s going to dad and mom see? Okay?

So PANDAS, clearly, it’s a strep an infection however right here’s what you’ll be able to see behaviorally in all three. So you’ll be able to see obsessive-compulsive dysfunction. You possibly can see nervousness, melancholy, you’ll be able to see bodily or motor tics, after which every other psychological well being situation you probably can consider in addition to quite a lot of rage for some individuals. So you’ll be able to have externalizing behaviors, like rage, violence, , eager to hurt different individuals. After which on the opposite finish, you’ll be able to have internalizers, children which can be so depressed that may’t get off the bed. And when it’s a sudden onset, when it’s a deep acceleration, dad and mom will do issues like inform me, Katie, it felt prefer it was a demonic possession. Like, it was so excessive, they didn’t know what the heck was happening.

So, then you can also have such excessive instances the place dad and mom will know the precise day, the date it occurred. Like, it was February twelfth, 2019. Once you see that is someday and there was no precipitating occasion…And once I take into consideration children, I take into consideration grief and loss. You recognize, I feel there was a lack of a grandparent or a canine or a bullying incident or one thing like that. You’ll want to be contemplating PANS and PANDAS as a result of our immune techniques are breaking down as a result of a few of these issues we talked about, genetic mutation, poor meals high quality, persistent, persistent stress on children. And persistent stress doesn’t imply you don’t have a lovely residence and a lovely road and your children go to a lovely college. It means our nervous techniques are in a hyper-stress modality. And when that occurs, our assets in our physique go to search out the stressor and ignore antigens like Lyme illness, or any tick-borne sickness, or no matter it’s.

So then you’ll be able to have aggressive behaviors, Katie. So that you could be a child who is sort of a nice pupil in actually stopped studying. I see this on a regular basis, lack of handwriting. After which two different behaviors are quite common. One is frequent urination and separation nervousness. And so when you’ve a sudden onset or worsening of a pre-existing situation that appears so out of the atypical, I’m gonna inform you this isn’t regular. Don’t imagine that the primary line that if one thing is actually excessive that your little one is psychotic for no motive that possibly they’ve, …These children are identified with issues like schizophrenia, bipolar. And also you wanna at all times search for medical sources.

And if this feels like your personal little one or possibly your niece or nephew or, , your buddy Betty down the road, have a hearken to this podcast. I imply, this is the reason we do that as a result of these children are all around the world and they’re in psychiatric hospitals. They usually go from hospital to hospital and so they’re not getting acceptable medical remedy, and so they’re being missed. And that is prison as a result of we ought to be testing children for these widespread sources of psychological well being points. If it’s 1 in 150, 200 children, that’s widespread.

Katie: Yeah. Oh, a lot to unpack there. So I agree. Is there, like, a scientific set of exams that assist us establish this, or is it symptom-based, or how do dad and mom get to that analysis? As a result of I can solely assume again to my very own once I used to have Hashimoto’s, which is autoimmune. It took me so lengthy to lastly get a analysis, to search out a health care provider who knew to check for the best issues as a result of if it was like in case you solely examined T3 and T4, I used to be high quality. And whenever you take a look at antibodies, I used to be off the charts. And so I’m wondering, are the youngsters getting missed within the testing or there should not pretty much as good set requirements for testing protocols, or as a mum or dad, in case you suspect this, like, what ought to a mum or dad be advocating for?

Dr. Roseann: Yeah, a lot to unpack even in that. So, primary, the primary drawback why these children should not getting recognized is the dearth of practitioner data about what PANS and PANDAS are. And that’s pediatricians. That’s psychiatrists. That’s individuals operating psychiatric hospitals. That’s therapists as a result of as quickly as they’re medically missed, increase, they go to psychotherapists. And so that’s the primary motive why, individuals. And that’s why it’s worthwhile to discover anyone…if this feels like your child, it’s worthwhile to discover a practitioner like myself otherwise you go to aspire.care, which is a nationwide group, or Epidemic Solutions and so they have, , practitioners in that space.

So, is there a take a look at? There’s. This can be a scientific analysis based mostly on signs. So is Lyme illness, which is commonly stunning to individuals. So we now have exams. Like, in PANS and PANDAS, one specific set of exams is known as a Cunningham Panel. And a few individuals imagine that it’s a must to have constructive irritation markers. You recognize, all these items must be there. I’m gonna inform you completely not. That isn’t what the scientific standards says. And a few of these infectious illnesses, notably Tick-Borne illness, they’ll take years to indicate up on lab work. And so if we cling our hat on getting a constructive take a look at outcome, these infections get deeper within the organs. They get extra intrusive and it turns into harder to deal with, not unimaginable. And tick-borne sickness, in as little as two weeks, can go from early-stage, which is fairly straightforward to deal with with antimicrobials, to late-stage. And late-stage implies that these micro organism, the spirochetes, have burrowed into some organ. And as soon as they burrow in as a result of they’ve a screw-in mechanism, these are extremely genetically advanced micro organism, some imagine essentially the most extremely genetically advanced micro organism on the planet, it’s powerful.

And that’s, , a part of…So this Lyme group and PANS and PANDAS, they should merge collectively as a result of let me inform you, the PANS and PANDAS mother, they’re powerful mamas and they’re actually transferring the dial quicker and getting assist for his or her children than simply the, , Lyme group in itself. So, no single take a look at. Testing is useful as a result of we have to know what the infections are within the remedy triangle. You recognize, you wanna have remedy for the an infection, remedy for the irritation, after which behavioral psychological well being remedy. That’s a remedy triangle to actually get our children higher.

Katie: And that was gonna be my subsequent query as a result of it looks as if since this can be a fairly complicated factor that we now have happening within the physique and there could be quite a lot of completely different triggers. I’m guessing it’s additionally very hardly ever a single set off. Like, it looks as if usually the physique’s able to dealing with anyone assault fairly nicely. And there’s been quite a lot of whether or not it’s the rain bucket, or the bath, or all of the completely different analogies about all of the completely different inputs that may go in, however when you attain the highest, it’s gonna overflow, it doesn’t matter what you place in it. And I take advantage of that analogy with autoimmune illness. It feels like that applies right here, too. So it looks as if there’s a component of getting to actually, type of, unpack all these layers and determine the triggers, after which additionally determine from there, like…So is that this a really individualized remedy plan the place with every little one, you’re working to determine it’d look completely different for everybody, or are there commonalities?

Dr. Roseann: Yeah, it isn’t…I imply, , Katie, that whether or not it’s autoimmune illness, like Hashimoto’s or, , PANS and PANDAS, or no matter it’s, there’s a person part. However that is the idea of my work, that irrespective of who I work with, whether or not it’s autism or PANS and PANDAS, I do know what holds them again. And it’s sometimes two issues that maintain them again from really therapeutic their physique and decreasing and reversing these psychological well being signs. And it’s a hyper-stress-activated nervous system. So individuals are so stunned that our autonomic nervous system, which is in control of managing on a regular basis stress, that these children, it’s gonna be caught on. I’ve by no means met a child with autism or ADHD or nervousness that doesn’t have a stress hyperactive nervous system.

And as I discussed earlier, your troops go to the unknown. What does that imply, your troops? It means your immune system, your hormone system, each single part of your physique which helps it to manage and work actually goes to that one factor. So, your automobile that you just’re driving, your entire wheels are gonna be balanced on one wheel. It’s gonna be working. It’s not gonna be working nicely. And each time you get in that automobile, you’re like, “One thing’s mistaken. One thing’s mistaken. One thing’s mistaken.” And then you definitely get your tires balanced and that’s with that nervous system. So, how I work with individuals is I train them to manage the nervous system. And I do it with quite a lot of biofeedback, neurofeedback, and PMF. That’s my magic juju. I imagine in quite a lot of different issues, breathwork, and all that, and I lay it out in my e book.

However the different a part of that is improper cleansing. It is vitally uncommon that I’ve children and adults who their physique is ready to detoxify each the precise toxin, infectious, , micro organism agent and whatnot, but in addition their waste merchandise. So, , we now have mycotoxins which can be in our system and also you say, , individuals are listening, “What do you imply cleansing? How do I do that?” Properly, quite a lot of it’s way of life. And these are usually the 2 greatest boundaries for those that are even getting superb remedy as a result of I work with people who find themselves going to those superb professionals and treating children with PANS and Lyme illness in adults, and so they’re not getting higher. And it’s due to the stress hyperactive nervous system. It’s a physiological response. It’s known as psychoneuroimmunology. Your physique actually won’t allow you to heal when you find yourself in a stress-activated state.

So it’s tremendous necessary, it’s a must to take…It’s a multifactorial challenge, which suggests there’s nobody factor that’s gonna work. It’s changes in your way of life. And as horrible as PANS and PANDAS is, and I’ve been working with individuals with Lyme illness lengthy earlier than my 16-year-old received it at 22 months, who we later realized had PANS…So I stay in an space the place infectious illness triggers for psychological well being are normal. They’re simply right here. We’re dwelling in, , suburbs of New York, in Connecticut, and folks get Lyme illness. If I walked outdoors proper now, Katie, and I stood on the grass, inside 10 minutes, I’d have ticks crawling on my legs. So, it’s that scary. You possibly can’t see Katie, however she seems scared. You recognize, and it’s there. And, , for us nature lovers with our children, like, we have to join, proper? So I’ve needed to do quite a lot of preventative issues.

However, , individuals simply don’t perceive what PANS and PANDAS appear to be. So, , it could possibly present up in a single day, and really sudden and really scary. You recognize, when my child received Lyme, he stopped consuming. And what his physician mentioned? His physician mentioned, “Properly, he’s 22 months outdated. That’s what 22-month-olds do.” And I mentioned, “Not Italian children.” You recognize, he was consuming, like, calamari for breakfast and, , he was consuming these actually superb meals that we…, I’ve solely been holistic my complete life. So, we didn’t eat processed meals. My child has by no means eaten off of a child’s menu, okay? And so once they informed me that, I used to be like, my mama intestine mentioned, “Uh-uh, no, no, no, no girl.” And I knew it was one thing else. However, after all, that’s what it was. However it may be a sudden onset or it may be this type of waxing and waning and up and down after which dad and mom begin going, “What’s happening right here?” And that’s why they wind up getting diagnoses like, , ADHD or different issues as a result of it could possibly present up in so many alternative methods.

Katie: I feel one other necessary level in all that is that tick-borne sickness can be very a lot on the rise. I feel lots of people don’t even notice there’s the connection right here. But additionally, tick-borne sickness can go in quite a lot of completely different instructions. And I’ve heard from quite a lot of adults who’ve had Lyme illness or varied co-infections that got here after Lyme illness. So, I’m curious when you have, slightly little bit of a facet notice, however any preventative ideas for that? As a result of we ended up really transferring to an space that’s very low in ticks as a result of I actually don’t like ticks, and I’ve seen mates and what occurs to them with extreme Lyme, however any preventative ideas as a result of many individuals do stay in tick borne areas.

Dr. Roseann: Yeah. Yeah. I’ve a lot of preventative ticks, Katie…tick ideas. And that is the entire different podcast and we’re filming this in Might of 2021. And Might is Lyme Illness Month. It’s additionally Psychological Well being Month, and the way acceptable is that? So initially, Lyme illness is on each continent besides Antarctica. Okay? So, there are excessive an infection charges, they’re known as endemic areas. There’s 14 states in the US which have it. And so, all of us assume it’s solely within the woods. And as my scary story informed you, this isn’t true. So, please know that rodents carry this as a lot as deers, if no more. So rodents are in all places. In my shishi-poopoo neighborhood, we’ve gotten rodents in our home as a result of my cats are sleeping on the job. You recognize, it could possibly occur at any time. So, let’s discuss prevention.

So there’s really one factor, Katie, that you are able to do that may scale back your probability of Lyme illness by 59%. And it’s not what you assume. It’s not the sprays, that are necessary. It’s having a shower instantly after being outdoors. And once I imply instantly being outdoors, it’s anytime you’re outdoors. You’re within the garden. You’ve gone to the seaside. There was simply this big article that got here out final week about how each seaside they’ll discover, within the tall grass, is crammed with ticks. So, take a peek the following time and have a look in there since you’re gonna be shocked. So, having a shower instantly. That is the very best protocol that I’ve discovered that has at all times labored with my children and even when my children had been infants is we enter by way of the storage to search out an entry level, have a transparent bin that may suit your garments, make your children strip down, put their garments within the bin earlier than they enter the home and have them take a bathe. And at all times use a washcloth and have them get each floor of their physique.

Please know {that a} tick verify will not be sufficient. Individuals will inform me, “I do tick checks.” These are little tiny, tiny, tiny, , nymphs. You’re not gonna see them. In order that’s actually necessary. Spray is actually necessary. Whether or not you imagine in pure spray or DEET-based spray, that’s okay. They’re efficient. Don’t spray them collectively on the similar time. Important oils act as a service of the mind. So in case you’re utilizing important oils-based sprays, you do not need DEET-based sprays. You wanna decide one or the and you need to use issues like permethrin, which treats your clothes. You recognize, my feeling as anyone who’s gone by way of this horrendous 14-year journey with my very own child with Lyme, and accessing the highest consultants on the earth is that I’d moderately see you detox out toxins and actually create an actual protocol round that than must take care of Lyme. So select one thing.

After which clear reduce and fence in an space of your yard if doable. Ticks don’t like gentle. They, , gained’t cross over issues like mulch. So you might do a mulch border. As Hilaria Baldwin informed me, it’s a mulch moat. So once they cross over mulch, they may die within the warmth over that. It’s actually, actually necessary for the solar to maintain your grass brief. You recognize, in case you are utilizing, , outdoors, , have a devoted space that may be basically as tick-free as doable. And you’ll spray your garden. You recognize, oil of oregano is a superb spray. However simply assume you’re gonna have ticks.

After which the spring and the autumn are the worst instances. The spring is once they’re most aggressive. After which additionally simply know that you just do not need to have an engorged tick for it to transmit tick-borne sickness. The second a tick bites you, it empties the contents of its abdomen into you. And so, , the charges of those ticks carrying tick-borne an infection are very, very excessive. The analysis is anyplace from our space, it discovered 91% of ticks carried a minimum of one tick-borne sickness, as little as 30%. However you’ve a really excessive threat that tick transmitting, , to you. So prevention, prevention, prevention is essential.

Katie: That’s a very nice tip. I had by no means heard that about not utilizing pure sprays and DEET sprays collectively, however it makes full sense. It’s like, decide your poison and persist with that one.

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And that’s actually superb how excessive…I didn’t notice tick-borne sickness was that top and the proportion of ticks throughout. It’s good to know, there are some tangible issues that we will do. And it additionally feels like you’ve firsthand expertise with your personal little one with this, which supplies me hope since you talked about he, I imagine, is older now. So how has restoration been? I feel, like, having hope can be such an necessary factor for a mum or dad who’s dealing with one thing like this.

Dr. Roseann: Yeah, having hope is so necessary. You recognize, in my e book, “It’s Gonna Be Okay!,” I discuss in regards to the eight pillars of psychological well being. And sure, this can be a e book designed for fogeys to enhance their children’ psychological well being, however it’s actually about all psychological well being for everyone. And I name them the eight pillars of hope and therapeutic. And we’re so scared on this world and we don’t imagine within the efficacy of pure remedies. We don’t imagine that our children can get higher. And we imagine, possibly not our wellness mamas, proper, since you’re right here and also you’re exploring, proper, which is superb. Like, hold listening, hold listening. However the extra we perceive, proper…

So for 30 years, Katie, I’ve been pushing the boundaries of psychological well being. And actually, solely been utilizing these evidence-based approaches, which, good day, are 100% pure, proper? Like, in some way meals has been relegated into another medication. It’s simply so comical, it’s not even humorous. I may begin a brawl within the psychological well being group on a Fb group by recommending a sure weight-reduction plan for nervousness or melancholy. So, , I would like individuals to have hope and therapeutic. Yeah, my son is dramatically higher. At 16, he’s the very best psychological well being he’s ever had. Has that been a tough street? It has been a tough street as a result of as we’ve moved by way of this, we now have realized extra about what works and what doesn’t with PANS and PANDAS and tick-borne sickness and different issues.

And, once more, I’ve solely been holistic. So this wasn’t even me altering my way of life. It was actually dialing down these items, which is why so many individuals search me out and work with me nearly in our heart as a result of there are methods to deal with issues. And the platform…So is there a bio-individual strategy? Sure. However the 8 pillars of psychological well being are 100% the identical for everyone. And, , I put in 40 pages of single-spaced analysis citations so individuals can have belief.

And the primary factor dad and mom must do is to see their children getting higher. The second they don’t wanna bounce off that fear practice and so they hold these psychiatric meds behind their head or different issues…proper, as a result of we all know children with PANS and PANDAS and Lyme illness, the analysis 2021 says that these children have poor reactions, excessive signs reactions. I knew that as a result of I may see these children having paradoxical reactions. Why did they react to psychiatric meds? It’s not the foundation trigger. The foundation trigger is an an infection or a toxin. So let’s deal with that part. However I at all times need individuals to have hope, whether or not it’s autism or PANS and PANDAS and Lyme illness.

You completely…I’ve the privilege of serving to 1000’s of individuals scale back and reverse psychological well being signs over all these years. And, , you’ve gotta perceive it’s gonna take work, however it’s shifting your work which isn’t working for you, which feels such as you’re beating your head in opposition to the wall or taking place rabbit gap after rabbit gap, and shifting it to way of life modifications and different therapies which can be really gonna create change. And that perception is the place it begins. You’ve received to imagine in it as a result of whenever you don’t, you let that negativity, type of, creep in.

Katie: Yeah, and I feel the opposite actually necessary level to spotlight there’s that for the very best outcomes of the work you’re doing, like, psychological well being isn’t just a remedy psychological well being challenge in any respect. And the very best outcomes in any facet of well being appear to return after we use an integrative strategy that takes all of these items under consideration. And I’ve seen these type of issues as nicely, individuals pushing again within the medical group on weight-reduction plan being that necessary or something past energy being necessary. And I feel it’s an enormous disservice to people who find themselves struggling as a result of even when they don’t…possibly you think about that type of strategy. It’s not going to hurt somebody to eat a extra nutrient-dense weight-reduction plan or to dial in dietary supplements that could be useful.

So to me, in the very best curiosity of the affected person, particularly after we’re speaking about our children, you wanna use each potential device that you’ve obtainable and, type of, use this multifaceted strategy. And it’s thrilling to know that there are tangible issues that oldsters can do as a result of I feel you’re proper, like, that hope and that mindset is such an enormous key towards therapeutic. And our children want to have the ability to really feel that from us as a result of we’re gonna be those, type of, emotionally driving that course of. And I feel this is applicable to all children, not even simply children with PANS and PANDAS. And I do know you’ve one thing known as the CHAMP approach, I imagine, from what I’ve heard of you?

Dr. Roseann: Yeah.

Katie: We’re gonna discuss that as a result of I feel a few of these issues, like psychological well being is one thing we wish for all of our children. You recognize, we wish them to all have a constructive mindset and a superb basis in psychological well being. So, what are a few of these components that you just talked about which can be relevant throughout the board with regards to this?

Dr. Roseann: Yeah, I imply, I’m about elevating profitable children, whether or not your child has PANS or PANDAS or they may simply be harassed through the pandemic, have a tough time focusing and motivation, however they don’t have ADHD. So I discuss in regards to the CHAMP approach, proper? And, , there’s 5 components of that. And so one, it’s calming your central nervous system. So nothing is gonna occur. No studying will occur with a stress-activated nervous system. That is adults too, individuals, proper, and that is my battle cry for mothers to deal with themselves. And, , it simply takes 10 minutes a day to manage your nervous system. You should utilize breathwork, meditation, biofeedback, neurofeedback. Choose one thing and do it, individuals, since you’re going to really feel higher on a regular basis and also you then gained’t react to emphasize. So it’s tremendous, tremendous necessary, proper?

After which two, , hone your children’ expertise, proper? Don’t simply deal with lecturers, proper? You recognize, my youthful man, John Carlo, he simply is a freaking delight. I imply, he’s received an incredible humorousness. He’s the buddy to all people. So I hone in on these expertise as a result of he’s dyslexic. So, I’m gonna deal with his studying however I’m gonna hone in on his presents. And please begin opening your concepts to presents past the tutorial world since you need your children profitable in all areas. It’s not gonna matter if they’ve a straight A in algebra once they get to a job, or they attempt to hold a girlfriend, proper? They usually don’t know how one can be conscientious about, , simply pondering past themselves, proper?

After which three, we already talked about this, it’s parenting to be autonomous. We would like our children to really feel assured. You recognize, I like to do issues like what Katie does. I begin them with duties at residence. Like, my boys knew how one can prepare dinner and use a range by the point they had been 5 years outdated. Okay? So my 10-year-old is like, “Hey, Mother, I’m gonna make a soup. You need some?” “Positive, sounds nice.” Now, I do know he likes it spicy. My mouth is gonna burn when he makes it however I’m gonna let him be autonomous. After which 4 is mastering coping expertise. We would like our children…we don’t need to rescue our children each second, okay? We would like them to drawback clear up, determine stuff on their very own, be slightly uncomfortable, and determine how one can cope. That doesn’t imply throwing them within the deep finish. It means like, “Listed below are your assets, , let’s discuss it.”

After which 5 is utilizing constructive language expertise and visualization. So I discuss visualization on a regular basis, like, oh, so we’re gonna have a pool celebration. When your children are coming over, , from college, like, what does that appear to be? Properly, how do you wanna see it go, ? And I keep in mind we used to have a pool celebration each Friday, Katie. And we wish to have a superb time on the Hodges. It’s a part of the Hodge motto to have a superb time, particularly when you’ve a child who struggles. And we really nonetheless homeschool our older son, however we homeschooled each our children at one level. And so, you might have a celebration through the week. And the youngsters I used to be speaking about that week’s pool celebration, each my boys mentioned, “Hey, what I don’t like? I see the youngsters taking my stuff with out permission, going into my bed room and taking all my, after all, , like swords and, , battle gear.” And I used to be like, “Okay, nicely, the place do you see that stuff being moved to?” They usually simply begin seeing issues completely different. They don’t say, “Oh, Mother, you’re gonna do it.” They only begin seeing constructive outcomes and feeling good about themselves. And that’s so key.

These are the underpinnings of psychological well being, individuals. It’s actually creating that inside resilience. It doesn’t simply occur in a single day since you say to your child, “Properly, that is how you work it out.” No. It’s these alternatives of failure, and success, the place they discover ways to handle no matter comes. Like what Katie mentioned, your children are having a WWE SmackDown, and also you allow them to determine it out. Proper? It’s necessary.

Katie: Yeah, I feel that’s actually necessary and never problem-solving for them. I do know I hear from quite a lot of lecturers who say that oldsters are doing that much more now. And such as you mentioned, it’s as a result of the teachers are so necessary. However from firsthand expertise, I can look again, my dad and mom had been each faculty professors at completely different instances. And I positively got here from that educational background. And I realized, like, that was a very powerful factor and I received the straight As and I used to be obsessive about college to the expense of my well being finally. And the irony is, like, I used to be nice at taking exams. It’s not a worthwhile life ability. Being type to individuals is a really worthwhile life ability. With the ability to clearly state your desires and wishes and in addition hearken to different individuals, that’s a worthwhile life ability. With the ability to deal with your self and deal with others, very worthwhile life ability.

And I feel you’re proper, we’ve misplaced some essential issues with our children in attempting to empower them to be actually good at lecturers, well-intentioned, however unintended second and third-order penalties that now we now have to deal with. And hopefully, we’re. I really like that strategy as nicely. We’re type of the enjoyable home as nicely. And I’ve at all times needed to be the place the place my children may carry mates and the place all the buddies needed to hang around. And now that I’ve received…I’ve 6 children, the oldest is nearly 15. And we’re positively that home. So on any given day, there’s possibly 20 children in our home and I find it irresistible. But it surely does…And I really like your strategy too of serving to them to visualise and serving to them to determine it out. I’ve been an enormous fan of that since my children had been younger is once they ask a query, as a substitute of simply answering, I’ll be like, “Oh, nicely, why do you assume?” or, “How can we discover the reply to that query?” Or in the event that they’re having an issue, I’ll ask them, “Oh, what could be some options? How may you clear up this drawback?” as a substitute of simply fixing it for them.

And I feel you’re proper, that’s essential to provide them simply that perspective to begin shifting. So even at a younger age, they don’t say, “I want somebody to repair this for me.” They begin pondering, “How can I repair this?” or, “How can I work by way of this?” or, “How can I make this higher?” And I really like your strategy in that and love your work in your e book too. I’m gonna make it possible for it’s linked within the present notes as nicely as a result of I feel it’s actually phenomenal for all children and all dad and mom. I do know that you just even have a particular supply particular to the viewers as we speak. And I wanna make certain we get to speak about that earlier than we attain the top of our time. So stroll us by way of what you’ve created for the listeners.

Dr. Roseann: Yeah, so I’ve a particular factor only for the Wellness Mamas on the market as a result of I simply love that you just’ve created a group. You recognize, I used to be a holistic mother lengthy earlier than it was cool. So, I simply love that everyone’s embracing this and that Katie is main this battle cry. So, I’m all about elevating profitable children. So we now have this superb no-brainer $7 supply. And you’ll go to elevating…It’s gonna be within the notes, however it’s raisingsuccessfulkidscommunity.com/dealone. And it’s a triple supply. And it’s a video with me the place I train you…It’s a masterclass on how one can construct resilience and grit in your children, after which we’re gonna do a five-day problem about how one can elevate profitable children, 5 steps to creating success in life, college, and residential. After which a stay Q&A on the wrap up within the subsequent week after we now have this problem and relying on when this airs.

So, I hope individuals do that. This can be a no-brainer. There is no such thing as a child on the earth proper now throughout this pandemic that isn’t impacted in a roundabout way, form, or kind. And there’s a lot we will do proactively, proper? So wherever you’re, you’re a particular wants mother like me or you’ve children that you just’re working this in the direction of, that is for all children. And I name 20 something-year-olds children too as a result of some children get caught of their 20s. And, , I do quite a lot of failure to launch work. So, I simply need individuals to have instruments which can be accessible. That’s what I do. That’s why, , I’m on TV on a regular basis. That’s why I’m speaking about all this as a result of dad and mom really feel, , uncertain of what to do and I wanna aid you to really feel hopeful, but in addition actually put instruments in your arms that make parenting slightly simpler for you. And that, , whenever you make these shifts, like, I’m positive Katie sees this, I see this, all this work that I’ve accomplished to even deal with my child who struggled with psychological well being as a result of PANS, he, at 16 when it ought to be more durable, is definitely the simplest he’s ever been.

It’s about altering what you’re doing so the funding pays off. And there’s no mum or dad…At any time when I ask them, “What would you like for a child?” All of them say, “I would like my children to be comfortable and wholesome.” They by no means say, “I need a straight-A pupil.” You make a cheerful and wholesome child, there aren’t any limits to their success. You solely deal with that one factor, you’re limiting their success. So, that is about making a dialogue and providing you with instruments. So I hope individuals join it as a result of I’m tremendous enthusiastic about children’ psychological well being and we will do higher. And that’s what all my work is about.

Katie: I find it irresistible. I’ll make it possible for hyperlink is within the present notes. For all of you guys listening while you’re driving or exercising, these will all be at wellnessmama.fm. So you will discover all the things we’ve talked about. I’ve been taking notes as nicely whereas we’re speaking. And I do know that Dr. Roseann, you’ve quite a lot of assets as nicely. I’ll hyperlink to a few of these so individuals can discover them and continue learning. And my hope in that is that hopefully, nearly all of individuals listening should not working with a toddler who has one among these circumstances. However I feel in gentle of the numbers you shared, it’s essential for us as dad and mom to remember that this exists and to be looking out for it as a result of such as you mentioned, it could possibly come on very quickly. And it’s actually good for all dad and mom to have an consciousness about ticks and about tick-borne sickness, and about issues like MTHFR, and underlying dietary triggers, and kids’s psychological well being.

And I consider all of these items, like, hopefully, there’s nice instruments such as you present for fogeys who’re coping with the acute, but in addition I feel we’ve talked about quite a lot of issues which can be useful throughout the board for fogeys who possibly don’t have a toddler working by way of one among these issues however they may help all of our children have a greater shot at success in not simply lecturers but in addition in relationships and in life in each space. And I really like the work that you just’re doing in on this world and all of the dad and mom and households that you just’re reaching. One other query I like to ask for the top of interviews is that if there’s a e book or quite a few books, moreover your personal, after all, which have had a dramatic affect in your life, and if that’s the case what they’re and why.

Dr. Roseann: Yeah, so I’ve been doing this work my total life. I’m the daughter of Italian immigrants. And my dad and mom taught me meals was medication. And so, the e book that has actually had essentially the most dramatic affect on me is a e book known as “Prescription for Dietary Therapeutic” by Phyllis Balch, B-A-L-C-H. And it’s actually an encyclopedia that talks to you about diet and dietary supplements. And I began doing integrative care earlier than even the web. So, I needed to go have a look at microfiche, individuals, if what that’s. You might need to google what microfiche is, proper? And this e book was simply transformational for me. I virtually have this e book memorized. And you should buy it on Amazon. And each mom ought to have this e book as a useful resource as a result of in case your child’s received a bellyache, it’s gonna provide you with diet and dietary supplements. They usually have a homeopathy model as nicely. So, simply made a huge effect in understanding that we put limits in therapeutic within the allopathic world, however within the Jap world, and, , whenever you actually discuss integrative care, it means combining the very best of issues. So, I simply assume it’s a e book all people ought to have learn and simply have on their shelf.

Katie: I find it irresistible. I don’t know that anybody has urged that on this podcast but. But it surely jogs my memory, my mother had that e book once I was a child as nicely. And I really noticed it yesterday on her bookshelf once I was having espresso along with her within the morning. And yeah, there’s a lot info in it. And sarcastically, you’ll assume you’d be capable of discover all that info on-line. However yeah, it’s so onerous to dig by way of. And as Google has modified the outcomes to prioritize the extra mainstream medical facet, it’s more durable and more durable to search out these issues. So, that’s an incredible thought to have that useful resource available as a result of when you’ve a toddler who has an earache or who has a stomachache, you need the solutions now. In order that’s such a superb suggestion.

Dr. Roseann: And it led me to construct, type of, a useful resource, Katie, of, like, what are the belongings you wanna have available? Like, I really like getting a mother’s homeopathy equipment. After I go to a child bathe, initially, I’m Italian, so you’re gonna get a superb present, however I carry homeopathy. I carry issues that, , are protected for mothers and infants in order that they’ll begin their wellness mama journey and notice that, , you don’t must have, , a chemical in case your child is constipated or no matter it’s. So, it’s an incredible useful resource.

Katie: Good. I’ll make certain individuals can discover that as nicely. Will probably be within the present notes. Any parting recommendation for all of the dad and mom listening earlier than we wrap up?

Dr. Roseann: Yeah, , no one ever regrets getting assist. They solely remorse once they don’t. And in case your child is struggling within the tiniest method, , whether or not you wanna use “It’s Gonna Be Okay!” because the useful resource and precise ideas otherwise you wanna go to a licensed therapist, go. You recognize, it’s solely gonna assist carry lifelong well being. And if we don’t have our psychological well being, we don’t have something. And it doesn’t actually matter all of the bodily issues that you’ve, it’s gotta begin…all of it begins from inside. And that’s what we have to deal with with our children is that mind-body connection, the bodily facet, all these stunning, holistic issues, nice meals that you just’re giving your children, stunning properties, schooling, however you’ve gotta construct that inside resilience. And each mum or dad has the ability to do it.

Katie: And we’ve talked principally about children’ well being and psychological well being as we speak. However I feel that’s one other necessary level as we wrap up is, in some ways, we additionally must be the instance of this. And I do know many mothers who’ve some model of a well being drawback that additionally bleeds over into psychological well being. And I feel it’s a really highly effective factor after we get the prospect to be the instance of that as a result of then our children additionally get to be taught by watching us work by way of a battle and so they get to see the resilience firsthand. So, I feel that’s such an necessary level and an ideal place to wrap up. And such as you mentioned, I feel there could possibly be complete different episodes associated simply to the tick-borne sickness facet, and to prevention, and to a complete lot of different features of youngsters’s psychological well being. However we’ll wrap up right here for as we speak. And in case you guys have any follow-up questions for Dr. Roseann, please depart these on Instagram or within the feedback in order that if we will do a spherical 2 someday, we will make certain we deal with all of these issues. However I understand how busy you’re as a mother and a practitioner, and I’m actually grateful for you for being right here as we speak and for sharing.

Dr. Roseann: Properly, thanks a lot for supporting children and household psychological well being as a result of like I mentioned, it’s simply so necessary and extra necessary than ever proper now. And I would like individuals to really feel like they’ll deal with themselves. And perceive, simply as you mentioned, self-care for mama is simply as necessary because the love that we give our children and you’ll lead and present your children on such a deep stage that you just love your self sufficient to deal with your self however you’ll additionally present them what you are able to do for your self by demonstrating that, so it’s so necessary. Such an incredible dialog. Thanks, Katie.

Katie: Oh, thanks. And thanks as at all times to all of you guys for listening, and for sharing your most precious assets, your time, and your vitality with us as we speak. We’re each so grateful that you just did, and I hope that you’ll be a part of me once more on the following episode of the “Wellness Mama” podcast.

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